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Les Paul Necks Break !!!

 Gibson Guitars Require A Major Redesign

Les Paul Necks Are All Prone To Easy Breakage!!!
Why is it, that one of the most expensive guitars on the planet.
is famous for the fact that the necks always break?

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Question:  Is the headstock angle designed wrong?
Answer:    YES

Question:  Is the guitar too heavy?
Answer:    Definitely YES

Question:  Is the weight distribution incorrect?
Answer:    Definitely YES

Question:  Is the case poorly designed?
Answer:    Yes most of the time, depending on the year

Question:  If they put a volute on the neck would that solve the problem?
Answer:    Maybe, It would definitely be a step in the right direction

Question:  why doesn't Gibson put a volute in the neck.
Answer:     Don't Know the answer, it would seem to be a clear  admission of guilt. If they actually finally fixed the original design.

Question:  Is mahogany a good choice for a neck wood?
Answer:    Most luthiers prefer hard rock maple on electrics.

Question: Is the guitar poorly designed? 
Answer:    In Ed Roman's opinion the guitar is poorly designed

I have said for years that Gibson should simply break all the necks at the factory before the guitars are even painted.   (Some people think I'm Joking;      Actually I'm quite serious !!!!

I know that sounds crazy, but consider this. They rarely if ever break once they have been glued. Every Luthier knows that glue is far stronger than wood. If Gibson did this to their guitars, they could simply paint them after the repair,  there would be no visible break and the integrity of the instrument would actually be better.

This would be far cheaper for them than using quartersawn wood and doing a 5 piece lamination which would probably also fix the problem. 

I have a large repair shop. I fix a lot of Gibson broken necks, The fix is easy and cheap because they all break in exactly the same place. They are all held together by their trademarked plastic "Bell Shaped" truss rod cover or by the thin phenolic overlay on the headstock.  I can fix most of them usually for just a one hour labor charge and make good money doing it. What gets expensive is camouflaging or painting over the break to hide the ugly scar the break leaves.                  

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This Next Section Will Astound You !!

We fix more Gibson Les Paul & SG Broken necks than all other broken necks put together from all the other companies in the world put together!!!   Here's the real funny part !!!   I cannot remember ever fixing a broken neck on any Les Paul Copy. I'm sure some of them had to break but in my 33 years in this business I personally cannot remember ever seeing one. There are over 100 companies out there that make dead on Les Paul Copies & probably about 500 of them that make close approximations. There are countless more that make singlecut style guitars in various shapes, weights & sizes. I have personally seen forgeries and actual counterfeit guitars. I swear to the fact that I cannot remember ever fixing a broken neck on any of those guitars.

Whether it be an Ibanez, Tokai, Heritage, Tradition, Samick, Washburn, Dean, Hamer, PRS, Burny, Jibson, Madore, Guild, Triggs, Tom Holmes, Stephenson, Dillion, or even an Epiphone which is Gibson's cheapo exact copy of their own guitar.  Why don't their necks break?  I have absolutely no idea, I'm supposed to be some kind of guitar guru and I'm completely at a loss to explain that.  It's the mystery of the ages. It makes no sense!!!  Yet facts are facts simple & true!!!

As guitars go Fender is probably the most copied brand, then Gibson and Mosrite comes in at a distant third. This page is about Gibson so I will stick to that subject.
Guild, Hamer, JET, Holmes, etc etc all build a better Les Paul style guitar than Gibson. Common sense dictates that if they didn't make it better they couldn't sell it. After all they all cost more than Gibson does. There are plenty of companies that charge a lot less and still build a better guitar. Notably Ibanez, Tokai, Heritage, Burny,

I am planning on putting up a bunch of photos of broken neck guitars. Please send me photos of what happened to your guitar. (Any Brand).  I will post them all. I'll bet money that the Gibsons will always rule on the broken neck page.


 

Letter From A Consumer

Ed, I have spent an hour or so reading thru your web site dialogue with respect to American vs non-American made guitars..............first thanks for your honesty....there are probably a few folks that are not your best friend for your comments, but so what....

I'm 57, and have had many LP's Strats and the like over the last 40 years......but I am just a fan/aficionado of the instrument now, as my playing is for my own amusement and psychological well-being.....

I own about 15 electrics, and except for a PRS I acquired VERY cheaply, all my guitars were made in Japan, Korea, and Indonesia and China.....I am a Tokai freak, and I have one Tokai Strat from 77 or so that is a keeper....

but I have 3 LP's, a 335, a V and and Explorer....all Tokai's.....average cost to me about $400 or so.....I have modified some pickup combinations, but the main comment from anyone and everyone that has seen these guitars (including dealers) is just what great guitars they are...

And why not? what is the culture that disdains a well made guitar from a foreign land? since I can't pay $20 grand for a 65 Strat.....am I crazy? I used to buy the same guitars by the handfuls for $150 each....in today's market I guess I would be a rich man...oh well, too bad, so sad...

thanks for the comments.....what a nice breath of air......

Rick Johnson (the attachment is of my home guitar wall)

Rick
I have played many copy Gibsons that are every bit the same or better quality than what Gibson peddles. My issues with Gibson are the fact that the designs are primarily incorrect. The pickups are misplaced the headstock is too big. The headstock angle is wrong, The necks break like tissue paper, The weight is incorrectly distributed, The Guitars are muddy sounding, They weigh far too much, The necks are too short, The neck joint prevents sound from transmitting to the pickups, The pickups are floating, The inlays are plastic, I could go on but what's the point.  The guitars you own could easily be better than Gibson but they still have the same design flaws because they are copies.  (Although I've never seen a broken copy)
Ed Roman

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Hi there--I haven't purchased any of your guitars (doh!) but I found you site incredibly informative, and wanted to send you a heads-up if someone hadn't already.
You bashed Les Pauls (which I think was deserved--I started playing on a Les Paul and have owned quite a few) and it reminded me of a "Some Assembly Required" episode I saw on cable (the Discovery Channel). They show the process of making this and that, and they had an episode in the Gibson factory where they followed a Les Paul through the factory.


I've built my own electrics for decades . . . Not that I'm a super expert, but I know one end from the other. I was AMAZED watching this. Yeah, the host was building one and he did the usual "I don't know what I'm doing but I'm trying" job. But, the REAL guys putting them together . . . There was one shot where a guy was slamming unbent fret wire into the neck with a VERY big hammer (I suppose the hammer bent the fret to the fingerboard?) from one long piece of wire (I thought you prebent and precut?) and then nipping it off afterwards. He slammed them in like he was putting up drywall--fret down, bam bam, nip, fret down, bam, bam, nip . . . For something that everyone thinks is "the top guitar there is" it was truly horrible.
In the space of the ten minutes or so they were in the Gibson factory I saw at least six or eight things I would NEVER do to my own guitar . . . If you haven't already, you need to watch it for yourself. Amazing.
Anyway, I love your site, and just thought you might like to see this.
Don

Thanks Don

Gibson  has been getting with murder for years. They have a core base of uninformed close minded people who simply don't get what is going on in the world today.
I am noticing it more and more that many people are starting to smarten up. I am encouraged by the amount of letters like yours that I get.  I should print them all but there just isn't room. Someone should start a website "Gibson Quality Issues .com or something stronger maybe.  I have hundreds of letters on file that I could send them.  If you know any one interested in putting up a site I will subsidize them !!!!

Ed 


Hi Ed,

 Love the site (Especially the "Rants")

I'm surprised not to see any mention of the intonation problems associated with USA made Gibson guitars.

 
On most Gibson electrics the scale length from the nut to 12th fret is 24.562"

No problem with that...but the scale length above the 12th fret is 24.75.

That means OK intonation from the nut to 12th fret (especially with Buzz Feiten Tuning System or similar), but really BAD intonation above the 12th fret.
At the 22nd fret, the error is about 0.04".
About half the width of the fret)
Copies (including Epiphone) don't have this fault.
 
What do you think?
Regards,
Phil Hartley

 

Hello Phil...

I'm not much of a Gibson Fan myself, In fact I could go on about that for a long rant !!!! 
The reason I haven't said anything about this in my rants is. Basically I didn't know about it. 

After I read your letter, I do concur with your findings !!!!

I don't like the short stubby necks, I don't like the fret size, I don't like rosewood fretboards with plastic inlays (on supposedly American Guitars)
I never even got in as deep as the tuning problem !!!

Ed

Based in Bolton, near Manchester, in the Northwest of England, owner Phil Hartley is a well respected guitar repairer and technician with many years of experience. During this time the services of Phil Hartley Guitar Repairs have been used by music shops throughout England.

As a former head of large retail guitar department and through his many years as a guitar teacher, Phil Hartley has gained first hand knowledge of the problems encountered by guitarists of all abilities and budgets.

Whether your beginners’ guitar has developed a tuning problem or you’ve worn away the frets on your guitar, you can rest assured that each will receive the same level of care and attention to make your guitar the best it can be.

All repairs are carried out by Phil Hartley. Work is never subcontracted out nor is it ever assigned to a trainee or apprentice.

Phil Hartley is an approved retrofitter of the Buzz Feiten Tuning System.   See the new Buzz Feiten page for details of this revolutionary intonation system

 

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