Love the site (Especially the
I'm surprised not to see any
mention of the intonation problems associated with USA made
On most Gibson electrics the
scale length from the nut to 12th fret is 24.562"
No problem with that...but the
scale length above the 12th fret is 24.75.
That means OK intonation from the
nut to 12th fret (especially with
Feiten Tuning System or similar), but really BAD intonation
above the 12th fret. At the 22nd fret, the error is
About half the width of the
Copies (including Epiphone) don't
have this fault.
What do you think?
I'm not much of a Gibson
Fan myself, In fact I could go on about that for a long rant
The reason I haven't said
anything about this in my rants is. Basically I didn't know
After I read your letter, I
do concur with your findings !!!!
I don't like the short
stubby necks, I don't like the fret size, I don't like rosewood
fretboards with plastic inlays (on supposedly American Guitars)
I never even got in as deep
as the tuning problem !!!
Although I never met an SG that would hold tune without a lot of
neck & fret work.....
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Ryan to me
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I was recently on a Les Paul forum and I noticed
this hateful assed post about "why does Ed Roman hate Les
Pauls?"...I hate Les Pauls too.. matter of fact...my review
of a Les Paul could be summed up in two words: "shit
sandwich"...anyway...they go on and on about how terrible of
a human being you are but not one.. I repeat NOT ONE could
respond, or even bring up, the facts you state about Les
Paul necks, headstock angle, cheap wood, foreign
construction that claims to be from the U.S. You've
deprogrammed me...and seeing these people bitch and bitch
about you and they like Les Pauls "just because" & "they
rock" and "Ace Frehley plays them" isn't good enough in my
book... I come from Missouri.. the show me state..&
I've been shown your guitars.. I've been in your shop...and
I've also seen Les Paul's.. played them..
Hell my father has an original 52 without a serial number he
bought at a pawn shop in 1964 that's been sitting in a case
and sees the light of day once every 5 years when he gets it
out.. Its a 50 something year old piece of shit...oh
it gets a tone, sure...but hey if I eat at a Mexican
restaurant my asshole will produce a tone too.. big deal !!
peace on the hill brother!!!
Thanks for your kind letter and your
support, I appreciate it. People are
Forgive them father for they know not what they are talking
about. Ha Ha
What were you doing on that stupid forum anyway ???
I can convert that 52 to a 58 or 59, I can make it
playable anyway !!!!!
Some vintage geek will buy it on Ebay, because he thinks the
mojo will rub off on him.
I've done it before !!!! And I'll do it again,
that should piss off those retards on the forum.
Hi Ed Roman
I'm glad to see someone else is standing in the wind against
Gibson, I have many times wanted to build a web-site called
"gibsonsucks.com" I have many more stories that I have amassed in
my last 20 years as a guitar repair person in Toronto. I do
repairs for several dealers besides my own clientele. I have been
forced to deal with the less than intelligent cretin's at Gibson
for parts & warranty issues. They are even worse than Rickenbacker
when it comes to helping a customer solve a problem. They have
repeatedly lost and/or screwed up guitars, They have treated me
like a complete fool when I deal with them. They have lied to me
more than 100 times. F#@K Gibson !!!!!!
Lowell K. Roberson
Precision Guitar Repair
I appreciate your correspondence, I have
considered doing a website that targeted Gibson's screw-ups
myself. I just never seem to get around to it. To date I
have a total of 22 different websites.
Ed Roman 10/13/08
Todd Kennedy to me
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I tend to agree with everything you have to say about Gibsons.
However there is one model I have really fallen in love with. I
wasn't quite sure why I felt this model was so superior to my
other Les Pauls. ( I have several ) but after reading your article
and Gibson comparisons, I figured out why.
This guitar has a three piece maple neck (unfinished) as you
stated is the preferred wood for necks by most luthiers. It also
has an Ebony fretboard also something you feel every electric
should have. The guitar also came stock with Grover tuners instead
of the old Kluson's.
The guitar is fully bound front, back, neck, and headstock and
comes stock with EMG pickups and is made in Gibsons Custom shop.
I picked it up on E-bay for $2500.00 and it has become my favorite
guitar to date. I am 47 years old and been playing since the 70,s
so I've owned a ton of guitars. Currently have 14 in my collection
(two of which are 80,s Hamer's ) The greatest and most underrated
guitars on the used market, a sentiment you seem to share with me.
Anyhow the Gibson I am speaking of is a Gibson Zakk Wylde model.
It truly is a great guitar. I will never again buy an off the
shelf "Jipson" (pun intended) as they are complete crap for the
money they charge. However the custom shop re-issues have
impressed me and are leaps and bounds better than the off the
shelf crap. Most of them are made with quality woods and long neck
Tenons and resonate like a good paul should. However their prices
are indeed ridiculous .Luckily the used market has recognized this
and you can now get a good custom shop 1956, 57, 58, 60 re-issue
for around $2000.00. I have a 59, & a 58 and along with my Zakk
Wylde model have fallen back in love with the Les Paul.
Zakk Wylde apparently did his homework when he designed his
signature model as it does seem to meet all of your benchmarks for
a quality guitar. Anyhow just some food for thought.
I have recently retired to Las Vegas from LA. bought a small
mansion (foreclosure) and am looking forward to meeting you and
spending some of my hard earned baby boomer cash at your store.
I now have the money to spend but still prefer to spend it wisely
and get value for my money. What are your thoughts on the above
named guitar? can you concede that
Gibson may have actually made a good (although overpriced ) guitar
? or are you locked into the belief that all Gibsons are crap ?
Keep the great Rants coming
I Will Most Definitely Never Concede !!!
I am still firmly locked
into the belief that there are more than 30 brands of guitars that
are better than Gibson Les Pauls, SG's, etc etc.
It's not just the quality that I don't like,
You started your letter by agreeing with me on everything I say. I
don't think you actually would agree with everything I say about
Gibson's In fact I doubt that you have read too many of my
articles. I believe you are a really a Gibson lover that is
looking for a way around the multitude of problems.
The 22 fret, stubby neck, big heel, improper
pickup placement & set neck are only 5 things that cannot be
addressed through quality of construction. Those are all design
faults that should cause a complete redesign of the basic
structure of the guitar.
mention the angle splayed headstock, the 17 Degree tilt, no volute
are not fixable simply by putting a good set of tuners on the
The spring mounted pickups
is a forgivable error only because almost everybody does it. But
that still does not make it right. No amount of good quality
construction can fix all these basic design flaws.
True the Zakk Guitar does have a 3 piece maple neck which is a
step in the right direction structurally, But a maple neck on a
Les Paul is counterproductive to the one good sound it does get.
Also the ebony neck is too bright for the Les Paul signature
sound. Most Les Paul lovers want rosewood fingerboards and
Zakk Wylde is awesome, I have known him for more than 25 years, I
wonder how much better he would sound on a Turner model one or on
a JET or a Quicksilver.
I have been
very merciful towards Gibson on what I have written above,
If I spent more than five minutes on this I could have listed at
least 6 or 7 more unforgivable design flaws.
I didn't even mention the backbreaking
weight, I didn't elaborate on the glue in neck that tends to
deaden the resonance from the fingerboard. I could go on and on.
Zakk Wylde is a great guitarist, he's also very hardheaded when it
comes to Gibson, reminds me of the way I used to be when I
was riding Harley's for 34 years of my life. (Don't try to
confuse me with the facts, I've already made up my mind.)
Gibson will never change their design.
If they did, they would be admitting to the world that they were
wrong all these years. Believe me
that will never happen. It's simply an ego thing !!!!!
They could easily redesign the guitar, when
I worked there back in 1991 this was being discussed on a daily
basis. No one could figure out how to fix the problems and still
Image is everything to
Gibson, building the best guitar comes somewhere else down the
Ed Roman Comments
The Product Is The Final Measurement, When
I worked at Gibson in 1990 & 1991. Believe it or not I was
treated quite well!!! I left the company when my contract ran
out because they could not afford me to pay me what I wanted.
I was on a Hiatus from the retail business. I went back to
the retail business because it was suffering from me being an
The product in the early 90's was the
best I have seen from the current management, in 1997 it
started a long slow spiral downward. I think that people
who buy Gibson Guitars are foolish and have more money than
brains. This attitude makes me a rather unpopular person
on the Internet.
But I am not here to be in a popularity contest. I stand by my
convictions that Gibson is an overpriced guitar if they sold
them for about half, I might not be so down on them.
I am not proud to have worked at
Gibson, I have seen
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